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Apparently, the danish songwriter's union (KODA) is in conflict with Google over how much YouTube should pay musicians.

If you tomorrow suddenly can't listen to Volbeat, Aqua, D-A-D, or Alfabeat on youtube, it's because KODA hasn't allowed the current licensing deal to be extended.

This is your irregularly scheduled Scandinavian reminder to join a union!
(I'm a member of two; KODA is one of them)

To be clear, it's Google that's about to remove all danish music from YouTube, because KODA won't accept a 70% decrease in licensing payment to musicians.

The new deal they're trying to negotiate is a collective deal including Norwegian and Finnish songwriters unions too, so it may or may not include all music from Norway and/or Finland too.

This could include bands such as ABBA, Roxette, Ace of Base, Avicii, Nightwish, HIM, Arch Enemy, HammerFall, Opeth, Apocalyptica.

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They motherfucking did it. Google is now blocking everyone in Denmark from hearing Danish music on YouTube.

Everyone else can hear our music but us.

What The Fuck.

Article from Danish Songwriter's Union in Danish:
koda.dk/om-koda/nyheder/fa-sva

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@zatnosk another proof that YT music model sucks.
The transition from Google Music is also unfair (whether you've bought the music or not, you'll be locked in YT Music)

@zatnosk p sure the general public's takeaway will be that koda denied them playing the music, not that Google is evil

@piggo I'm not so sure. We have a strong history of unions, strikes and blockades here in Denmark. Also, I think most people wouldn't know what's going on :/

@piggo @zatnosk that's what happened with Russian self-"sanctions" but I hope people are smarter in this case

@zatnosk ... and who gave all that influence to Google? Was it Google or was it YOU?

@zatnosk Yikes. What's YT's justification for reducing the royalties so drastically, beyond "because we can"?

@michel_slm they claim the danish terms were significantly better than other countries, but that's a shit argument, when YouTube is already paying less than other streaming platforms.

@kravietz @zatnosk @michel_slm Is that what the streaming service pays or what the artist gets?

@zatnosk Is Koda the same that is GEMA in Germany, some kind of encashment organization?

@zatnosk I don't really understand why the music is available in other countries - why isn't it blocked everywhere? That doesn't add up to me.

Thanks for the link to koda.dk, I'll probably find some interesting reading on there.

Btw "manowar.social" gave me a laugh too, I'll have to check that out.

@human_equivalent because KODA only represents the musicians in Denmark. Outside Denmark, Danish musicians are represented by other organizations, and then the music is subject to different licensing deals.

@zatnosk Okay, thanks, I guess that makes sense.
Do we know what deals the musicians have outside of Denmark? Out of curiosity.

@human_equivalent I have no idea. And I'm pretty sure Google is very interested in keeping the details secret.

@zatnosk

If it's the same as in other countries, they will represent the economic beneficiary, which may or may not be the rights holder, which may or may not (and likely won't) be the #artist.

In some countries those organisations also have the habit of claiming royalties even for beneficiaries / artists who chose *not* to be represented by them.

Not defending alphabet, far from it, but those orgas are nice little rackets themselves.

@human_equivalent

@0 @human_equivalent Eh, I'm a member of KODA and have had a decent experience as a smalltime musician.

I don't know if KODA has better behavior than similar orgs in other countries, but I know it's a member-owned democratic union of musicians, so that's already a plus compared to alphabet/google in my book.

@zatnosk

That's good to hear. 👍

I've come across musicians who'd had a radically different experience with their home country orgas (Spain + France), hence my comment.

@human_equivalent

@zatnosk @human_equivalent

That's including one band that pirated their own CDs. 😁

@0
KODA does claim royalties for everyone by default. I've heard it's almost impossible to be not represented by them.
On the other hand, they chased down one of my friends and paid him for an ASCII chart he'd posted on Usenet decades ago which someone had credited in a text book, so there is that...
@zatnosk @human_equivalent

@zatnosk
When you say Google, do you mean YouTube?

You're here in the Fediverse, right?. Why lament the corporate silo of Google, instead of encouraging artists to upload their works to Peertube or FunkWhale instead?

#FOSS #Fediverse #Peertube #FunkWhale

@tallship Google owns YouTube, so I say Google when I talk about the corporate entity.

Fuck off with your whataboutism. PeerTube is tainted by fascists because of too poor moderating tools, and FunkWhale is not an alternative to YouTube.

And neither of those pieces of software get musicians paid, so it's doubly irrelevant.

@tallship and no, I'm not "here in the fediverse", I'm here in Denmark.

@zatnosk Great move by Google. Those collection rackets need to be put in their place.

@zatnosk
It's dismaying, but also a 100% predictable development, IMO.

The more these companies get to insert themselves between artists and audience, the more revenue they will squeeze out. And the worst part is that the huge mobilisation against the bogus enemy of file sharing (that KODA and other rightsholder orgs have been part of) has contributed to the problem.

DRM leads to vendor lock in, which in turn leads to platform dominance, as nobody wants to deal with 70 different subscriptions, stores, apps, devices.

If KODA etc. want to actually make a difference, they'll have to realise that user rights and creator rights align in this case, and work towards reducing vendor lock in and increasing competition.

Otherwise Google/YouTube (and Amazon, Netflix, Spotify etc.) will just keep squeezing. They may be more pushy @zatnosk - 1/2

now that there is a pandemic on and nobody gets much concert revenue, but this would be happening anyway, faster or slower...
@zatnosk - 2/2

@gamayun @zatnosk@manowar.sociayes

Musicians tend to overwhelmingly support the idea that rich corporations who profit off their work pay them for it.

There's literally no evidence to support your assertion the Danes are unhappy with their PRO.

If you want to go do free labour for google, by all means have at it, but don't demand that from others. Indeed, there's no limit to whatever boots you want to lick, cop.

@yourfavouritecomrade
I have not asserted (or even implied) any of the things you write here. Did you reply to the wrong toot?

@zatnosk good i download my music so something like this would never affect me

@zatnosk I'm certainly not going to listen to Aqua but Volbeat is on Spotify and is pretty good :)

@kravietz I think you're unlikely to find any danish artists that are on youtube but aren't on spotify :)

@zatnosk

That's my point, if they were cut from whatever income they were getting on YT, we can help by playing them on Spotify I guess.

@kravietz I think buying a single album gives them more money than listening to their music on either youtube or spotify for a year does.

@zatnosk Do you mean like a CD or vinyl? What would I do with it? 😂

@kravietz rip it and upload the .flac files to a personal FunkWhale instance and stream it from there :blobcoffee:

And put it on a shelf somewhere to show off the probably nice coverart. Who needs a bookshelf, when you can have an albumshelf?

@zatnosk Good. Every artist should be in conflict with Google. Also for how they treat their audience. If Google is an algorithm, we need to train it better. Let Google feel that there are conditions if it wants to show those videos. I hope this case isn't just about money.

@mplammers this is only about money. KODA wants business as usual and Google wants to give 70% less to musician.

@zatnosk It's ice cold. There is no worse time for musicians to renegotiate these contracts now that they are not allowed to perform in most venues.

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