Apparently, the danish songwriter's union (KODA) is in conflict with Google over how much YouTube should pay musicians.
If you tomorrow suddenly can't listen to Volbeat, Aqua, D-A-D, or Alfabeat on youtube, it's because KODA hasn't allowed the current licensing deal to be extended.
This is your irregularly scheduled Scandinavian reminder to join a union!
(I'm a member of two; KODA is one of them)
They motherfucking did it. Google is now blocking everyone in Denmark from hearing Danish music on YouTube.
Everyone else can hear our music but us.
What The Fuck.
Article from Danish Songwriter's Union in Danish:
@zatnosk Aah, the Reverse Chinese Firewall.
@zatnosk screw Google, go back to p2p
@zatnosk oh my god
@piggo I'm not so sure. We have a strong history of unions, strikes and blockades here in Denmark. Also, I think most people wouldn't know what's going on :/
@zatnosk ... and who gave all that influence to Google? Was it Google or was it YOU?
@zatnosk Yikes. What's YT's justification for reducing the royalties so drastically, beyond "because we can"?
@michel_slm they claim the danish terms were significantly better than other countries, but that's a shit argument, when YouTube is already paying less than other streaming platforms.
@zatnosk fuck google, copyright and capitalism
@zatnosk Is Koda the same that is GEMA in Germany, some kind of encashment organization?
@zatnosk I don't really understand why the music is available in other countries - why isn't it blocked everywhere? That doesn't add up to me.
Thanks for the link to koda.dk, I'll probably find some interesting reading on there.
Btw "manowar.social" gave me a laugh too, I'll have to check that out.
@human_equivalent because KODA only represents the musicians in Denmark. Outside Denmark, Danish musicians are represented by other organizations, and then the music is subject to different licensing deals.
@zatnosk Okay, thanks, I guess that makes sense.
Do we know what deals the musicians have outside of Denmark? Out of curiosity.
@human_equivalent I have no idea. And I'm pretty sure Google is very interested in keeping the details secret.
If it's the same as in other countries, they will represent the economic beneficiary, which may or may not be the rights holder, which may or may not (and likely won't) be the #artist.
In some countries those organisations also have the habit of claiming royalties even for beneficiaries / artists who chose *not* to be represented by them.
Not defending alphabet, far from it, but those orgas are nice little rackets themselves.
I don't know if KODA has better behavior than similar orgs in other countries, but I know it's a member-owned democratic union of musicians, so that's already a plus compared to alphabet/google in my book.
KODA does claim royalties for everyone by default. I've heard it's almost impossible to be not represented by them.
On the other hand, they chased down one of my friends and paid him for an ASCII chart he'd posted on Usenet decades ago which someone had credited in a text book, so there is that...
@tallship Google owns YouTube, so I say Google when I talk about the corporate entity.
Fuck off with your whataboutism. PeerTube is tainted by fascists because of too poor moderating tools, and FunkWhale is not an alternative to YouTube.
And neither of those pieces of software get musicians paid, so it's doubly irrelevant.
@tallship and no, I'm not "here in the fediverse", I'm here in Denmark.
@zatnosk I fail to be shocked, or even surprised.
@zatnosk They have also published it in English now:
@zatnosk Great move by Google. Those collection rackets need to be put in their place.
It's dismaying, but also a 100% predictable development, IMO.
The more these companies get to insert themselves between artists and audience, the more revenue they will squeeze out. And the worst part is that the huge mobilisation against the bogus enemy of file sharing (that KODA and other rightsholder orgs have been part of) has contributed to the problem.
DRM leads to vendor lock in, which in turn leads to platform dominance, as nobody wants to deal with 70 different subscriptions, stores, apps, devices.
If KODA etc. want to actually make a difference, they'll have to realise that user rights and creator rights align in this case, and work towards reducing vendor lock in and increasing competition.
Otherwise Google/YouTube (and Amazon, Netflix, Spotify etc.) will just keep squeezing. They may be more pushy @zatnosk - 1/2
now that there is a pandemic on and nobody gets much concert revenue, but this would be happening anyway, faster or slower...
@zatnosk - 2/2
Musicians tend to overwhelmingly support the idea that rich corporations who profit off their work pay them for it.
There's literally no evidence to support your assertion the Danes are unhappy with their PRO.
If you want to go do free labour for google, by all means have at it, but don't demand that from others. Indeed, there's no limit to whatever boots you want to lick, cop.
I have not asserted (or even implied) any of the things you write here. Did you reply to the wrong toot?
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